Lives of Quiet Desperation 10th and 11th October 2024

Lives of Quiet Desperation Therapeutic work with men

with Simon Roe and Lee Stagles

An online workshop for people who are therapists, counsellors, social / health care workers and interested individuals.


Date : Thursday 10th October and Friday 11th October 2024

Time : 9am – 1pm (GMT) on both days.


TRAINERS : Simon Roe & Lee Stagles, Scroll down to see more about the trainers

COST : £99 if booked by 9th August 2024
            £115 if booked by 9th September 2024
            Full price £135


If your booking is accepted that means there was space for you.  If it is full, email to join the ‘reserve list’.  Then, if anyone drops out we will notify you, if there is a ‘last minute’ place  for you.  We will also let you know when we plan a new date.

‘Most men lead lives of quiet desperation (& go to the grave with the song still in them) ‘

The above quote, paraphrased from Henry Thoreau, seems as distressingly apt today as it did when it was written over 150 years ago. Despite the advances made by feminism, the ‘new age’ & the ‘men’s movement’ men are still notoriously reluctant to present for any kind of therapeutic support. Yet levels of depression, violence & suicide in men, particularly young men, are worryingly high. What is it that leads to this state of affairs? How, as practitioners, can we engage effectively with men? What unconscious biases or prejudices might we be holding that will interfere with or sabotage our work?

This training will provide participants with hands-on experience of a range of methods & approaches, which they can take away and add to their to add to their tool kits, including personal reflection, group and pair work, creativity, poetry & story.

Some of the topics we will explore include:-

  • Not measuring up’ – men and shame
  • ‘Boys don’t cry’ – men and grief
  • The dangers of ‘nice’ men
  • The ‘boy code’ – breaking the silence
  • Working with men’s anger & violence
  • Men and sex

Listen to a recent podcast with Andrew G Marshall featuring Simon Roe and get an insight into his informative work:



‘Simon’s depth of experience in running workshops for and about men was clearly evident. I recommend his course.’

‘This is the first time I have been able to grieve for my father – thank you.’

‘Simon’s workshop is very apposite; much needed at this time. He invites us to look very squarely and honestly at the male and masculine archetypes and find value and integrity. A challenging workshop for therapists and the therapy culture.


Simon Roe originally trained as a body psychotherapist with Nick Totton & Em Edmondson and has nearly 30 years’ experience of working with individuals and groups. For the last 25 years’ he has worked almost exclusively with men & teenage boys in a variety of settings including 1-1 psychotherapy, domestic violence work and Rites of Passage events. He is a Respect approved trainer & supervisor for domestic violence practitioners.   Simon is a fully accredited member of the Association of Facilitators

Lee Stagles Is an embodiment coach (graduate of the Embodied Facilitator Course 2017), men’s work leader and facilitator.  He has 20 years of experience in engineering as a technician, manager and business owner. He is interested in behavioural patterns and simple systems design, engaging with the body through an Awareness, Acceptance & Intention paradigm. He brings his expertise in ritual, grief, relationships, parenting and separated parenting. Now, using story, nature and movement, he supports his clients to a better understanding of themselves, helping to equip them with the tools and practises to achieve their goals.  He also works with organisations (private and public sector) in the field of Men’s Work. His mission is ‘to leave the place better than I find it.’


APPROVED FOR CPD : This course has been approved by NCIP-  National Council Of Integrative Psychotherapists.  

OUR EXPECTATION : Is that you will attend this workshop for the full length of the course, have your video on, your mobile off,  and fully participate.


There are some online talks on zoom that allow you to come and go, or to choose not to participate in the exercise and breakout rooms.  This culture has started to creep into our workshops.  We have even had people say they want to leave to go and pick up children from school or walk their dog!  People dropping in and out is very disruptive – especially when there may be group exercises that are planned for the same group to participate in a number of times.  

Because of this, we want to be clear about our expectations.  This workshop has been planned with the assumption that you, and everyone else, will attend for the full time. 

So please be clear, that if you book on this workshop, we expect you to attend for the whole time, to  participate in the breakout rooms and exercises and have your video switched on.     

Please also put your mobile to one side and on silent – checking your phone or texting will mean that you miss material.  So we request that you only check your phone during breaks.


EQUIPMENT YOU WILL NEED : We will use Zoom, so you would need a computer that has good enough internet access to be able to be online, and in a quiet spot where you won’t be disturbed.  It would be preferable if there are no people walking around in the background. An Iphone can be used in an emergency, but we recommend planning on using a laptop or computer.  Tablets also work, though please be aware that they have less functionality in Zoom. 


CPD FORM : A Certificate of Attendance form for Continuous Professional Development for 7 hours will be sent by email once you have filled in the feedback form.


Therapists Insurance: By booking on this workshop you confirm that you have sufficient insurance to offer therapy to the public. (We are required by the NCIP, who accredit this workshop, to ask you to confirm this).  If there is any discrepancy please let us know by contacting


CANCELLATIONS : Any request to change (eg defer to alternative dates) or cancel your place at a workshop, that is made at less than 21 days before the course start date will be charged in full.  Any cancellation / amendments / requests to defer before 21 days, will be subject to a 12.5% handling charge.


FOR MORE INFO : If you have further questions please email: or call Juliet Grayson on 01291 638805


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